Showing posts with label Bob gainey and Paul Holmgren. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Bob gainey and Paul Holmgren. Show all posts

Monday, June 18, 2007

Flyers Deal Compromises Trade Integrity
















It would take something that pisses me off badly for me to write my first non - Habs post in weeks.

Seeing as Scott Hartnell was my hoped for free agent signing for the Canadiens, it is not entirely unrelated. I'll just trash the Hartnell to Habs piece I was in the middle of.

Something really stinks about a deal like this. I can't imagine how a league that needs to keep it's integrity intact can allow it.

On the NHL Network / TSN site this afternoon at 2:30, this breaking story from Bob McKenzie appeared"

The Philadelphia Flyers have dipped into the free agent market a little early, thanks to the Nashville Predators.

Because of Nashville's uncertain ownership future and an expected tight budget in the coming year, the Predators arranged with the Flyers to give them exclusive negotiating rights to two coveted free agents - defenceman Kimmo Timonen and forward Scott Hartnell.

Sources tell TSN the Flyers have signed both Hartnell and Timonen to long-term contracts.
Hartnell, who was scheduled to become a free agent on July 1, signed with Flyers on a 6-year, $25.2 million deal for a cap hit of $4.2 million per year. The Flyers also agreed to terms with Timonen on a 6-year, $37.8 million contract for an annual cap hit of $6.3 million.



















In exchange for giving up the rights to the two free agents the Predators knew they would not be able to sign, Nashville received back its own first round pick that it gave to the Flyers as part of the Peter Forsberg trade.

Now something really stinks about a deal like this. I can't imagine how a league that needs to keep it's integrity intact can allow it.

I understand that the players involved had no obligation to sign (like either would refuse a 6 year deal!), but it's basically firesaling and hurts the leagues image.

There should be no trading of impending free agents that give one team more opportunity to negotiate with players than another.

It gets real scummy when all that Nashville gets in return is something that was theirs to begin with. Watch Philly resign Forsberg now that their team has just become more competitive.

Could draft day soon become a frenzy for trading impending UFA's away for picks?

On June 15, 2001, Montreal acquired the rights to Joe Juneau similarily before July 1 from Phoenix , for future considerations should Juneau sign. Prior to the lockout, the Canadiens also sold the rights to Stephane Quintal to Los Angeles prior to July 1 as well. Both transactions were minor deals using this exact same method. Neither, however compromised the ideal of what a transaction is supposed to be.
























The fact that there is no longer compensatory draft picks for teams that lose free agents likely enables this type of scam. Nashville, with the loss of these guys being imminent, could no longer fall back on the sandwich picks they would normally be entitled to under the old CBA.

The league ditched the compensatory picks when an abundance of teams make a mockery of the rule.

I realize this trade by NHL rules is legal and not entirely precedent setting.

There are many details that we do not yet know of concerning this, such as were the 2 players shopped at all. , I would imagine that a better offer could have been obtained.

The beef is with NHL and the perception of lost integrity.

Paul Holmgren looks brilliant for pulling it off of course, as would Gainey had he done it, but that's not my point.

The nature of a trade should have to with aquiring an equal value that a team uses to go forward with, or in the least is value for value in its intent.

In this case, it is neither of those, and that's why I find integrity being compromised.

Teams retain the right negotiate with impending free agents due to a loyalty presumption and not to seek gain when the future looks grim.

It also looks like Nashville's going out of their way to tank season ticket sales to kick the relocation clause in their rental lease into effect.

While it may all legal, it surely isn't right.

Sunday, February 11, 2007

Forsberg To Canadiens Rumours Gain Traction


During the intermission of tonight's Habs - Senators game, commentator Yvon Pedneault stated that very reliable sources were saying that Peter Forsberg would only waive his no trade clause for three teams - Detroit, Anaheim, and Montreal.

The first two would obviously quench Forsberg's thirst to be on a Stanley Cup contender, while Montreal keeps him close to the Bauer skate manufacturer he frequently visits to assist with his most nagging injury.

For the record, Pedneault usually doesn't deal in the rumour treadmill, well connected as he is. He was one of the few journalists / commentators listed on THN top 100 most influencial people in hockey. When he talks of such things, there is always an abundance of substance behind that of which he speaks.

Some other plusses to Forsberg heading to Montreal is that he would become to the teams number one center overnight and play a prime role in a resurgence of offense that is badly needed. Candidates that would quickly benefit from Forsberg presence would include Michael Ryder, Chris Higgins, Guillaume Latendresse, and Alex Kovalev.

On the Philly side of the deal, Montreal has roster players to offer, prospects to spare, and are willing to part with a number one pick should Forsberg show an interest in signing beyond this season. Another bonus for the Flyers is that trades with Montreal have often worked well in Philadelphia's favor. Over the years they have aquired John Leclair, Eric Desjardins, and reaquired Mark Recchi for Dainus Zubrus, stemming from the original deal.

Anaheim GM Brian Burke has stated that he will not sell the farm to aquire Forsberg, and is obviously weighing the risk factor. Detroit are very much Cup contenders, and may also be unwilling to surrender as much as the desperate Habs.

The bottom line may well be that the Canadiens mounting losses are making the Forsberg risk seem less and less minimal.

The Canadiens are in need of a desperate boost, and aquiring Forsberg would simply set the city on fire.

I've spotted a few rumblings concerning Montreal, that without Pedneault's nod, I wouldn't normally give creedence to.

The most detailed account of something in the works was at Spector's Rumours, where I found this quote:

....reported scouts from four NHL teams were in attendence at Thursday's Philadelphia Flyers game, and Flyers director of player development Don Luce was seen talking with Montreal Canadiens scout Doug Gibson.
"Scouts from Vancouver, Florida and Atlanta also were in attendance", reports Gormley, who also writes the Habs are one of a dozen teams believed interested in Peter Forsberg.

Let's keep our fingers crossed!